Still no issues after two years. Remains to be seen how close I actually was to buns up in the drink, but it was a wake up. This is Old Town’s hybrid canoe. "I saw that boat go flying," the man said. Oh, and about the "tippiness" - it's a solo boat so it's more narrow. I take it down Class II and III and have never rolled it, and take it across Burntside Lake and the other big lakes in the Boundary Waters when the wind is up and whitecaps racing, and have never had a problem. If you’re browsing eBay for that special new canoe, you will find that Old Town’s trademarked wood and canvas canoes are still available. I give the Pack canoe a 10 because its exactly what I wanted. 2014 manufactured kevlar solo canoe Very stable, and easy to paddle with a Kayak paddle (240cm). The Old Town Pack is about the lightest and easiest handling solo canoe that I have found. I would recommend this canoe to someone looking for ease of use for mild rivers. So we bought Spring Creek ethafoam floats. It was also our photographer’s boat of choice. Very light and easy to carry with one hand - exactly why I bought it. Découvrez les Canoës / Kayak Old Town . I carry mine one handed and haul my gear with the other. But the canoe paddles well, tracks well and at 12' turns well. Don’t blame the Pack! Can't say enough great things about my Pack. Sturdy fishing boat – I had no problems pulling in a 28" northern pike while fishing in it (though the pike did tug the Pack around a bit before he tired and I could get him in the boat! The only thing I struggled with was when the wind would make it hard to go straight, but I learned to use the wind and zig zag to where I want to go. We have a lot of tight creeks and small rivers in our area and the Pack out manuevers a lot of supposed whitewater canoes and kayaks. Aces all around. It does alot better when loaded, but I still need a correction before and after the power stroke. I still have not done the Green but I did do the Lower Colorado below Hoover Dam. It may not seem like much but 10 lbs is a difference maker when you get older (55). I really love the weight, or lack of it. October 15, 2019, 6:12pm #1. Despite what the Old Town and REI sales people say...I bgt & tried a few times to use the canoe with a long kayak paddle..It was awful with the kayak're just too high from the waterline to use it comfortably even if you kneeling the boat is too wide. Last year I took her into the middle of a large lake and felt totally at ease after not being in a boat of ANY kind for over 4 years. The Pack is a great canoe for my purposes, but mine was already pretty well used when I got it, and I'd like to find one in better shape to replace it. My friends who use the conventional duck sciffs wished they had a pack. Still the first boat I select when heading out. Just load and go. Again it worked great and kept me on top during the 4 hour trip. So, I was looking for low cost. It does turn well, despite the flat bottom, if you know what to do with the paddle. Tracking is a little off probably because of it's short length but it's still easy to paddle along. So I came back home open to other options, and started surfing Craigslist only to find a like new OT Pack. and 100% of what I paid for it is coming back to me. This is the most fun of all my four boats. The 33# pack with 550 to 600# usable capacity seemed the perfect answer. Both were excellent. in like new condition, lightly used Old Town 'Pack' 12' foot long, solo canoe. The little Pack turns easily in the current even for ignorant fools like me. Maneuverable. Add to cart . I was not impressed with the seemingly flimsy flat floor and the less than sleek hull shape; however, it was not advertised in the right places, so I had the opportunity to keep coming back to it. I still have my first canoe - an Old Town 12’ hard fiberglass pack canoe from 1973. Had I not obtained the Dagger, I would not hesitate to employ the Pack in the role I pioneered for it. Actually surprised by stability compared to my 25 year old Katahdin 12 by Old Town which is a barge with 40" beam. I just picked up a used Pack 12 that is about 18 yrs old. Stay away from this one if safety matters to you. This leveled out the boat and increased stability to the point that I raised the seat directly under the gunnels. I still find the Pack to be a reasonable package in a small lightweight canoe that has worked for me. I live on water, so I came home and took it for a test drive. Advice. Currently own 3 other OT canoes, Camper, Penobscot, and Tripper (ranger model) so very familiar with these tough canoes. Most of my activities are on bigger waters and I have found the Pack quite capable. and find this canoe to be very unstable. I never bought a kayaking paddle or double ended canoe paddle; I just use my Bending Branches canoe paddle with a J or C stroke. It is more stable than in stock config. Initially I was concerned about elbows hitting on the gunwales, but this is not a problem - nice surprise. Really happy with it so far. Besides fishing, I am sure I will camp out of it, backpacking gear will be an easy load with lots of room to spare. I just got back from a week long trip in the NY Adirondacks with the Pack. Maiden voyage at local creek, paddled great with long single paddle. My preferred paddle is a Grey Owl Ottertail which seems to be a perfect match for me and the Pack. As did most of you, I lowered the seat and paddle kneeling most of the time. The sign of an expert paddler is a kayaker who leaves his kayak paddle at home and uses a single blade canoe paddle. A kayak paddle is my usual companion but I also use a bent shaft for short trips and a regular plastic paddle for white water. No damage, and our float began as if nothing whatsoever had happened. All of my paddling has been on a local river. I am selling it and looking for something better. Great in sheltered water. It takes a while to learn the dressage of moving about or changing positions, but with a bit of perseverance this is accomplished. For reference, I'm 6'3, and 250lbs. C’est l’une des marques pionnières dans l’univers du canoë kayak.. Vous pouvez trouver un kayak à vendre à peu près n'importe où ces jours-ci. Since I only paddle alone I have not had the St. Croix out again. Generally exceeded expectations. The 33# pack with 550 to 600# usable capacity seemed the perfect answer. The size and weight makes transporting/portaging easy. Weighing in at 33 pounds, the Old Town Pack Canoe needs only 4” of water to slip through. It's stable even with my 68lb. The hull is strong but if you hit a rock head on, it will crush the royalex. I use ONLY a traditional straight beaver tail because I'm in it for the experience, not how fast I can go. Delighted. For finesse... not so much, but for what I use it for, the ease of handling, the gear hauling capability, the stability of the platform for various activities, this little gem can not be beat. The Old Town Pack is one tough little boat! I found the canoe in the classifieds and upon seeing it I had to have it. And, the price is 1/3 the cost of a Hornbeck boat. My destination was the town of Hermann, 340 miles down the Missouri river. Conclusion My thanks to those who provide such quality products at a price point the average enthusiast can endure to enjoy the outdoors from the water. On streams, the Pack canoe can usually out-perform, in speed and turns, most other, if not all, comparable solo canoes, and is a real joy to use. I have switched to a canoe paddle. The Pack canoe can be used for just about any use by an experienced paddler who knows how to overcome its limitations (with the exception of rapids above class 2 - it's possible to run a class 2 rapid in the Pack canoe, but I don't recommend it). Then I tried 2 different seats, the Crazy Creek canoe seat and the GCI sit backer seat. Having read all the reviews on this site I went ahead and placed an order for a Old Town pack canoe. This is the lowest new boat price around. I am a canoe paddle kneeler and brace against the thwart. I'm 61 and my 17' Old Town Canadienne was just getting to be too much for me to load and unload. It easily handled the currents and conditions of a major river, and some extreme barge wakes, while loaded in this capacity. “It gets me up higher off the water and it’s nice and stable,” he said. I bought my Pack in 2008 and have maybe 100 river trips on it. Seven hours of flat water on Prime Hook Creek NWR. Again lower seat may help. Slapped on some pink duct tape it was good to go! I take mine with friends who kayak all the time and I can keep up and still get a tan. I wanted a canoe easy to move around dangerous rapids and easy to get on top of my Cherokee. The dropped seat was an improvement, but the aft (rear) factory seat location is a serious buoyancy, navigation and wind problem, especially for taller/heavier folks (I am 6'2", 220 lb). He kept it outside for 8 or so years so it was dirty. I've had my Pack for several years; I love it. I can put this canoe on my car and then carry down the path to the shore all by myself, which is why I bought it! It is stable for a small canoe and once moving it is easy to control. The boat is very stable, easily maneuverable in windy conditions, and moves along at a good clip for the energy expended. Folks I'm 57 and in good shape but do most of my boating solo and 33lbs on my shoulder is a charm. It seemed that kayak paddle technique bothered my hands and wrists whereas traditional canoe methods did not. I recently purchased a used Old Town Pack canoe after having looked for one for quite a while. If you're single, this is your canoe. It's a breeze to load onto my 4dr jeep by myself, I walked it into the woods about a 12 minute trip, stopping in between to switch shoulders. I have had a Discovery 119 which I loved but eventually sold to get a kayak. 4.5 (10) View the 10 reviews with an average rating of 4.5 out of 5 stars. I also use the seat as a work surface. You can get lighter solo canoes but they are usually kevlar and very expensive and fragile. L: 12′; W:32″; D: 11.5″, 33 lbs. I don't see the Pack or my old Grumman ever leaving my fleet. Others have been critical of the Pack's tracking. We did hit weather after a few days so I spent those days kneeling to keep my center low. One issue, not really fond of the shoulder carry, and thwarts not really set up for a normal carry. Today was the first time on the water, and after a short time getting used to a rhythmic j-stroke, she performed well. I recently purchased an Old Town Pack Canoe. For reference, I am 6'0" and weigh about 155 and use a 56" wide bladed paddle. This works fine for kneeling but for sitting a 260 might be better. If you are having difficulty finding a drop in replacement for your modern wooden OLD TOWN CANOE seats, either cane our webbed, these seats are the dimensional equivalent. I did lower the seat and got a sit backer chair though. I tested the Angler version of the Pack, which has a dropped seat, but it is not nearly as comfortable as the webbed seat with a sit-backer. The Pack also oil canned much more than previous larger Old Towns; actually kind of scary how flimsy the bottom was. I either kneel with my butt against the seat and use a single blade paddle, or sit on a pad on the bottom of the canoe and use a double-bladed paddle. I'm thinking about adding some adjustable foot pegs to mine to lock myself in a little better when river running or digging in against the wind. We loved our 16 and 18’ Old Towns, but could no longer easily lift their 60 to 75#s. We both had to sit on float pads on the floor of the canoe with my feet into the stern and he kept his back into the bow and feet under a pack balanced on the crossbeam but we just managed to fit ourselves and gear with the boat paddles backwards. As with any canoe paddled from the middle with a single blade the proper strokes need to be learned. The Royalex material on the Pack is really tough. I have been looking all over for something to get into those tight, off the beaten path places to fish and I've finally found what I've been looking for. The Pack will not replace the others for long trips or camping, but will be really nice for easy paddles in small water. The canoe did sustain a slight dent in the bow, but only because I hit a rock "hard", and square-on, in some light white water. I purchased my OT Pack last summer. Bow Height 17" Depth 11.5" Colours Deep Forest Green Hull Oltonar / Royalex.® I lowered the seat 3" with longer SS bolts and hardwood spacers. (walking speed). Being as this is the only canoe I've ever owned, I don't have any complaints about the tracking. I found it to be a much better match for this canoe. I love kayaking and had never really canoed before this boat but the ability to include my big dogs with me was the main reason I went with the canoe. It is a lightweight solo canoe for a leisurely paddle. I installed the Old Town oarlocks and on big lakes or coastal waters often I'll turn and row it for greater power against the wind or waves. Free shipping. I have recently added a Reflection Dagger 15 to the stable, and I'm going to rig it for a Summer 2013 solo run of the length of the Missouri River as it flows through the state of Missouri, some 550 miles. Sometimes I sit on the side, like Becky Mason, which helps with speed. I bought the Old Town skirt and flotation bags and installed the snaps and tie-downs. From a smoke free home. I always lower the seat or install my own with solo canoes. My 12 YO daughter loved padding it. That didn’t help tracking much and the shafts hit the gunnels and dripped into the boat. Max capacity 600 lbs.This particular model is diffic Features. Bottom line: I use those clip-on foam bricks and it's night and day compared to the old 80 lb. Will be using for fishing, trapping, overnight camping trips and to take along on our paddle club outings. I like to tinker, so I drew up a plan for a new front thwart/foot brace/rod holder/tackle shelf/bungee deck. I'm glad to have her in the fleet - along with 2 other Royalex canoes and 3 classic wood canoes (1 restored, 1 in process and another in queue). I've even taken my 42 lb dog with me on occasion. One of the worst days of my life was the day I sold my Pack. As currently configured, my OT Pack would rate a 10/10, but as supplied, it has some issues, and I gave it a 7 out of 10. There is no "secondary stability," whereby one might save himself from getting wet by quickly righting the canoe--it the gunwale is at the surface of the water, there's no stopping it from going over. Very pleasant. The Pack is flat out a quality craft. Carry this and a single but the double is perfect for making time, heavy conditions, and very shallow water. Great for large bodies of water if I am trying to cross for fishing or hunting...or running miles up the river to get to a spot. This canoe is built using royalex, a light-weight material just as durable as poly products, though it will show marks if you hit a rock hard enough. After one dumping in a cold lake trying to stand up, I lowered the seats with some wood spacers from Old Town and the stability was improved greatly. It’s been very well maintained. Packing was simple, toss my gear into two waterproof duffles, toss one in the bow and the other in the stern. I used to be a kayaker but the confinement wasn't for me. I knew that as a newbie, I would abuse any boat. It fits nicely on my ATV and allows me access to those remote lakes. and in tough Royalex. I found an ad for a OT Pack for $200 so rushed out, looked it over and handed over the cash. It held all my gear and a cooler and fishing tackle etc and still had room for more. We found that while you can do it it's really not what the boat is designed for. The width was just a little to much for a short guy to clear with either a single or a kayak paddle (255 cm). But I love this canoe for its ease of loading/unloading from atop a vehicle, lightness, carrying capacity for my gear and simplicity. Lesson learned - rotating hips and buns off center on the stock seat disrupts center of gravity. Being designed for whitewater, they have obvious advantages, but the Pack is so quick I can thread around a lot of the problems they need their advantages to deal with. So I bought a seat drop kit (best price I found was $9.99 + s/h at and lowered the seat by 2 inches (note of warning – most seat kits have 4-inch dowels, but you will need to cut them down to 3-1/2 inches to fit the Pack). My favorite feature is that I can carry the canoe all by myself, and I am a small woman who never goes to the gym! Both front and rear of my canoe have dents now but it's still working fine. You only need about 4 inches of water. I wanted to write something here because this site was so useful when I was trying to decide whether to buy a Pack. It paddles easily with my 260 cm kayak paddle. The longer double blade helps to keep your ride dry and much faster. When solo I take a bag of decoys and dog (90lbs) and just move along with no problem. The ultra versatile Pack features, black vinyl gunwales, and polyethylene decks with grab handles. Plenty of room for her and the German Shorthair Pointer. Made in 1990, the hull is made of Royalex, which provides exceptional Abrasion resistance and springs back from impacts. But still, it requires care to stay upright in larger waves. In the spring I run a few class 2&3 rivers and manage to pry my cheeks apart after the day is over and the pack is doing fine. Admittedly, the Pack is not for everyone, but it fits well in my stable alongside my Camper 15' tandem. The O.T.Pack canoe is my first. The 12 ft. royalex Pack is a unique boat that fills a niche. While I prefer a single paddle, this canoe is probably best suited for a kayak paddle due to the short length and tracking issues. It easily carried my camping, fishing, and photography gear. Worked like a charm in a fairly high wind situation while I was sitting on the canoe seat and using a double-bladed kayak paddle. I can paddle in half-a-blade depths. Looking forward to getting to know it better, possible mods include lowering seat, and some way to modify for overhead transport. With all that muck in the water, filtering would be problematical at best so we'd need to haul a gallon/day for the week and none of my kayaks could haul that much water. It is very stable and I don't understand those who think it should feel like a raft. Its best use is for fishing, paddling streams and small ponds/lakes. I did lower the seat 2" (kneeling puts my legs to sleep) for a stable sitting position. It needed minor work. 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